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Children of Charles Taylor [Sr] and Marianne Moore de Barcy:

A1 - William Howard Taylor b. 30 Jun 1860 in Liverpool, England md. Sarah (Sadie) Minerva Slentz 21 Nov 1885 in Glendive, Dawson, Montana
Their children:
          B1 - Frank Mervin Taylor b. 16 Feb 1887 md. Zella Mae Corberly
                    C1 - Walter William Taylor
                    C2 - Robert Frank Taylor
                    C3 - Dorothy Marie Taylor
                    C4 - Charles Howard Taylor
                    C5 - Richard Lee Taylor
                    C6 - Donald Duane Taylor
                    C7 - John Philip Taylor
                    C8 - David Warren Taylor
          B2 - Florence Ellen Taylor b. 27 Mar 1889 d. 1891
          B3 - Ethel Jane Taylor b. 12 Dec 1890 md. William Harry Ranes
                    C1 - Hazel Lillian Ranes md. Marvin Wright
                    C2 - Oren Leroy Ranes
          B4 - Myrtle Viola Taylor b. 28 Feb 1893 md. 1st William Imler 2nd Joseph Steven McDonald
                    C1 - Alice Mae Imler
                    C2 - Dorothy Rae Imler
          B5 - Annie Grace Taylor b. 15 May 1895 d. 19 Jul 1895
          B6 - Mary Irene Taylor b. 14 Feb 1898 md. Vernon Ellsworth
          B7 - Charles Clayton Taylor b. 27 Nov 1900 md. Clara Lee Pennewell
                    C1 - Virginia Lee Taylor md. 1st Vance Olsen 2nd Leon Trainor, Jr.
                    C2 - Norma Jean Taylor
          B8 - William Delton Taylor b. 18 may 1903 md. Helen Lucille Rogers
                    C1 - Wesley Delton Taylor
          B9 - Harold Rex Taylor b. 25 Feb 1910 md. 1st Leota Grace Heckman 2nd Marge Dell Stevenson
                     C1 - Gordon William Taylor
A2 - George Henry Taylor b. 27 Aug 1862 in Liverpool, England. Went to sea after the 1871 census. No one knows what became of him. We do not know if we retained the Moore surname or the Taylor surname.
A3 - Anna M Taylor b. 11 Dec 1865 in Liverpool, England md. Duane Robert Linsley 17 Jul 1886 in Dawson Co., Montana
Their children:
          B1 - Hazel May Linsley b. Sep 1888 md. Frederick Temple
                    C1 - Dorothy Temple
                    C2 - Charolette Temple
          B2 - George Howard Linsley b. Aug 1889 md. Lillie Bertie
                    C1 - Nellie Linsley
                    C2 - Flora Linsley md. Denny Coonts
A4 - Charles Taylor [Jr] b. 2 Aug 1868 in Liverpool, England md. 1st Anna Marie Helland, 2nd Eva Electa Brown, 3rd Madge Blanton Smith
Their children (all 1st marriage):
          B1 - Ethel Gunnell Taylor b. 9 May 1895 md. Arnold Thomas Read
                    C1 - Willard Charles Read md. 1st Theo Dean Straicher
                    C2 - Arnold Bowman Read md. Jean Eleanor Burns
                    C3 - William Andrew Read md. 1st Maxine Womach 2nd Kay Fox, 3rd Tina Marinez
                    C4 - Ethelene Read md. 1st Richard Roach, 2nd ? Petree
                    C5 - AnnaMae Read md. Victor A. Lo Forte, Jr
                    C6 - Larry Thomas Read md. Anice Jo Archer
          B2 - Hazelle Marie Taylor b. 9 May 1895 md. 1st. Arthur Robert Harnish 2nd Jack A Dollar, 3rd Everett Larence Johnson
          B3 - Helen Josephine Taylor b. 20 Nov 1896 md. 1st Heber Harris Thomas, Jr., 2nd Leslie Hollister, 3rd James Wendell Phillips Glascow, 4th Frank George Geiger
                    C1 - Raymond H Thomas
          B4 - Maude Leonore Taylor b. 22 Nov 1897 md. William Lorenzo Taylor, Jr
          B5 - Charles Duane Taylor b. 13 Mar 1902 md. Nettie Elora Taylor
                    C1 - Dorothy Taylor
                    C2 - Charles Duane Taylor, Jr
                    C3 - Ronald Dean Taylor
          B6 - Hilda Virginia Taylor b. 8 Feb 1914 md. George Edwin Anderson
                    C1 - George Edwin (Ted) Anderson Jr md. Judy Butler
                    C2 - Ken Anderson
                    C3 - Sandy Anderson
A5 - Alice Jane (Jennie) Taylor b. 25 May 1875 in Liverpool, England md. John Simmons 20 Oct 1890 in Ogden, Weber, Utah, md. 2nd LeRoy H Mercer 8 Apr 1896 in Helena, Lewis and Clark, Montana, md. 3rd John J Dodge 3 Oct 1901 in Bozeman, Gallatin, Montana
Her child (by John Simmons)
          B1 - Minerva (Minnie) Mae Mercer b. 10 Aug 1893 md. James Frank Preston

Why do we have a picture of Mary Collis Taylor? - Revisited

So I've been studying the picture of Mary Collis Taylor again. I've been looking through fashion books and websites trying to determine when the picture was taken by dating the clothing she was wearing. And I've come to a shocking conclusion...it can't possibly be Mary Collis Taylor in that picture.

La Couturiere Parisienne has been a valuable site in searching on fashion in the 1800s. And wouldn't you know it...they show a fashion plate that is very similar to the dress in the Mary Collis picture. They have dated it Autumn 1880. I also used Fashion Era, Edwardian & Victorian Photographs - Roger Vaughn Personal Collection, and Liverpool Photographers in the process of dating this and other photographs.

After talking with my cousin, she looked through her files and found a scan of the entire Mary Collis picture.Wow! There's a lot more to the picture than I thought there was. Unfortunately, there is no photographers stamp on the bottom to help in location or date. But the dress is clearly after 1870. But the girl can't be more than 16. By 1870, Mary Collis Taylor was 24. If the picture is later than that--1880 for example, it make it even more impossible.

So if it isn't Mary Collis Taylor, who is it?

My first thought was a sister. If the picture is as late as 1877 or 1880 it could be Annie M Taylor, Charles Jr's, sister. Here is a photograph of her after her marriage. But my cousin doesn't think her face is shaped the same as the Mary Collis picture. What do you think?

But a few other questions come in then. This girl is wearing a very well-made dress. If Annie was a servant where would she get the money for such an expensive dress? Marianne apparently worked for her living by then as well (1881 Census). So who had the money for really nice clothes? I speculated that it might have been taken at the same time as Charles Taylor (Jr)'s picture with the Derby hat...but that has a photographer's name listed and the mat doesn't match this one.

However, look at this:



George Henry Taylor - Charles Taylor [Jr] - ? Taylor

More Research in Barcy, France

So I find that the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah has microfilmed the parish records from 1578 through 1792. They have the Civil Registration (remember Napoleon and the Revolution?) from 1822-1913. Even better they have a link attached to that record that takes you to the Archives.Siene-et-marne.fr where all of these Civil Registration microfilms have been digitized. They added the link to the archive on 8 April 2009.

I searched for any variant of Marie/Marian/Mary with a surname Moore born between 1822 & 1842...but I come up with nothing...There are two common names: Moreau and Morin which could be the original surname. No Barcy or DeBarcy surname at all.

I looked for the French variant of George and Sylvia at Behind the Name and came up with: Georges and Sylvie....there just aren't many variants. Marian, however, comes up with a ton...including Anne, Marianne, Marie, Manon, Ninon...Oh dear, didn't think it would be this difficult.

Maybe if we go page-by-page looking for a family that has a Georges, a Sylvie and a Mari-? we will have the right family.

Oh, and remember that story about the "escape from France, dressed as a nun"? My sister was looking at the history of France and found a second revolution in Paris, 1848. At 10-12 years old, this would be a little bit early for what I'd think she could pass as a nun. But three years later there was the Coup d'Etat of 2 December 1851. Maybe it wasn't a religious persecution at all.

Well, what now? All of these items are too coincidental for me to just throw them all out. There's something here that I need to know in order to find her. I just don't know what it is. What do you think?

Was she really born in France?

Was Marian DeBarcy really born in France?

It is possible that the whole story is a hoax to cover the children's illegitimacy. In all the censuses Mary Ann Moore is born in Liverpool. But, looking up all the Mary Ann Moores of approximately the same age, born in Liverpool, listed in the 1851 and 1841 censuses doesn't show a family with Mary Ann, George & Sylvia as children's names. Maybe she borrowed a story from an ancestor?

Does she really have a brother, George and sister, Sylvia? George is a common name in Charles Taylor, Sr.'s family and so is Sophia, which is awfully close to Sylvia. Hmmm....

Who is Father?

Charles Taylor, Jr. says "Father: Charles Taylor" and gives all sorts of information on him and his brothers. Assuming that his information is correct...why then do all of the Christening records state the parents names as Charles & Mary (Ann), surname: Moore?

William in 1860:




Anne in 1865:




Charles in 1868:




All three were christened at St Peter's Church in Liverpool.

Maybe the best answer comes from their birth certificates:

William in 1860:




George Henry in 1862:




Charles in 1868:




None of the boys have a father listed. The obvious conclusion is that Charles & Mary Ann are not married. Where does that leave us? Well, one of two things; they were married and Mary Ann was still hiding out (remember the story about leaving France?) or they were not married and all of their children are technically illegitimate. I say "technically", because a relationship that extended through all the time which would account for the births of all five children could be classified as a common-law marriage. However, that doesn't change any of the data. Divorce happens, as well, and Mary Ann and Charles were clearly separated by 1881, as he claims another wife and child, while she is now working for her living and Annie, at least, is a servant in another household. William, we understand, is already in the United States.

So, now is Mary Ann hiding out? Why would she be hiding out for so long? Wouldn't using her husband's name be a better way to hide out? Were they married but by special license? The most simple explanation is that all the records are correct and what they state is exactly what happened. Mary Ann Moore and Charles Taylor had a long-term relationship that was never qualified by marriage. At some point (mid 1870s) they split up. Charles found another woman to be with him, and Mary Ann Moore took her children and raised them on her own, ostensibly a widow. Even after her death the children did not go back to their father, but went on to America to be with their brother. Perhaps he went to America to earn money to help them all come over later.

Why would the christening records give a father's name, but not the birth certificate? I think it is a technical issue. The christening record asks for parents first names and then the surname is in a separate column in which they could easily record the "child's surname" rather than the "parents' surname." Can you see it happening? The priest (or the sexton) asking "Child's name? Parent's given names? Surname?" Very easy to tell the child's surname rather than the father's. In contrast the full name of each parent is given in the birth certificate in totally separate boxes. Harder to disguise the difference.

With the track record Charles had, I don't think I like him very much. His first wife died young, the second wife left him, the third wife died young. But that may be unfair.

Apparently, the family knew that Charles had this relationship with Mary Ann and knew that the children had gone to America, because the family information passed down to me said that the children were "written out of the will because they wouldn't go back to England." Well, we know now that there was no will. Charles died intestate. All of his estate of 539 pounds went to Mary Collis Taylor. The Admon papers do not mention anything about any other children. But it stands to reason that if the Moore children did not go back to England to fight for their rights, then they wouldn't have any, since there were no legal records to tie them to Charles Taylor, Sr.

Now we just have to find out about the four youngest children!