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Children of Charles Taylor [Sr] and Marianne Moore de Barcy:

A1 - William Howard Taylor b. 30 Jun 1860 in Liverpool, England md. Sarah (Sadie) Minerva Slentz 21 Nov 1885 in Glendive, Dawson, Montana
Their children:
          B1 - Frank Mervin Taylor b. 16 Feb 1887 md. Zella Mae Corberly
                    C1 - Walter William Taylor
                    C2 - Robert Frank Taylor
                    C3 - Dorothy Marie Taylor
                    C4 - Charles Howard Taylor
                    C5 - Richard Lee Taylor
                    C6 - Donald Duane Taylor
                    C7 - John Philip Taylor
                    C8 - David Warren Taylor
          B2 - Florence Ellen Taylor b. 27 Mar 1889 d. 1891
          B3 - Ethel Jane Taylor b. 12 Dec 1890 md. William Harry Ranes
                    C1 - Hazel Lillian Ranes md. Marvin Wright
                    C2 - Oren Leroy Ranes
          B4 - Myrtle Viola Taylor b. 28 Feb 1893 md. 1st William Imler 2nd Joseph Steven McDonald
                    C1 - Alice Mae Imler
                    C2 - Dorothy Rae Imler
          B5 - Annie Grace Taylor b. 15 May 1895 d. 19 Jul 1895
          B6 - Mary Irene Taylor b. 14 Feb 1898 md. Vernon Ellsworth
          B7 - Charles Clayton Taylor b. 27 Nov 1900 md. Clara Lee Pennewell
                    C1 - Virginia Lee Taylor md. 1st Vance Olsen 2nd Leon Trainor, Jr.
                    C2 - Norma Jean Taylor
          B8 - William Delton Taylor b. 18 may 1903 md. Helen Lucille Rogers
                    C1 - Wesley Delton Taylor
          B9 - Harold Rex Taylor b. 25 Feb 1910 md. 1st Leota Grace Heckman 2nd Marge Dell Stevenson
                     C1 - Gordon William Taylor
A2 - George Henry Taylor b. 27 Aug 1862 in Liverpool, England. Went to sea after the 1871 census. No one knows what became of him. We do not know if we retained the Moore surname or the Taylor surname.
A3 - Anna M Taylor b. 11 Dec 1865 in Liverpool, England md. Duane Robert Linsley 17 Jul 1886 in Dawson Co., Montana
Their children:
          B1 - Hazel May Linsley b. Sep 1888 md. Frederick Temple
                    C1 - Dorothy Temple
                    C2 - Charolette Temple
          B2 - George Howard Linsley b. Aug 1889 md. Lillie Bertie
                    C1 - Nellie Linsley
                    C2 - Flora Linsley md. Denny Coonts
A4 - Charles Taylor [Jr] b. 2 Aug 1868 in Liverpool, England md. 1st Anna Marie Helland, 2nd Eva Electa Brown, 3rd Madge Blanton Smith
Their children (all 1st marriage):
          B1 - Ethel Gunnell Taylor b. 9 May 1895 md. Arnold Thomas Read
                    C1 - Willard Charles Read md. 1st Theo Dean Straicher
                    C2 - Arnold Bowman Read md. Jean Eleanor Burns
                    C3 - William Andrew Read md. 1st Maxine Womach 2nd Kay Fox, 3rd Tina Marinez
                    C4 - Ethelene Read md. 1st Richard Roach, 2nd ? Petree
                    C5 - AnnaMae Read md. Victor A. Lo Forte, Jr
                    C6 - Larry Thomas Read md. Anice Jo Archer
          B2 - Hazelle Marie Taylor b. 9 May 1895 md. 1st. Arthur Robert Harnish 2nd Jack A Dollar, 3rd Everett Larence Johnson
          B3 - Helen Josephine Taylor b. 20 Nov 1896 md. 1st Heber Harris Thomas, Jr., 2nd Leslie Hollister, 3rd James Wendell Phillips Glascow, 4th Frank George Geiger
                    C1 - Raymond H Thomas
          B4 - Maude Leonore Taylor b. 22 Nov 1897 md. William Lorenzo Taylor, Jr
          B5 - Charles Duane Taylor b. 13 Mar 1902 md. Nettie Elora Taylor
                    C1 - Dorothy Taylor
                    C2 - Charles Duane Taylor, Jr
                    C3 - Ronald Dean Taylor
          B6 - Hilda Virginia Taylor b. 8 Feb 1914 md. George Edwin Anderson
                    C1 - George Edwin (Ted) Anderson Jr md. Judy Butler
                    C2 - Ken Anderson
                    C3 - Sandy Anderson
A5 - Alice Jane (Jennie) Taylor b. 25 May 1875 in Liverpool, England md. John Simmons 20 Oct 1890 in Ogden, Weber, Utah, md. 2nd LeRoy H Mercer 8 Apr 1896 in Helena, Lewis and Clark, Montana, md. 3rd John J Dodge 3 Oct 1901 in Bozeman, Gallatin, Montana
Her child (by John Simmons)
          B1 - Minerva (Minnie) Mae Mercer b. 10 Aug 1893 md. James Frank Preston

Why do we have a picture of Mary Collis Taylor? - Revisited

So I've been studying the picture of Mary Collis Taylor again. I've been looking through fashion books and websites trying to determine when the picture was taken by dating the clothing she was wearing. And I've come to a shocking conclusion...it can't possibly be Mary Collis Taylor in that picture.

La Couturiere Parisienne has been a valuable site in searching on fashion in the 1800s. And wouldn't you know it...they show a fashion plate that is very similar to the dress in the Mary Collis picture. They have dated it Autumn 1880. I also used Fashion Era, Edwardian & Victorian Photographs - Roger Vaughn Personal Collection, and Liverpool Photographers in the process of dating this and other photographs.

After talking with my cousin, she looked through her files and found a scan of the entire Mary Collis picture.Wow! There's a lot more to the picture than I thought there was. Unfortunately, there is no photographers stamp on the bottom to help in location or date. But the dress is clearly after 1870. But the girl can't be more than 16. By 1870, Mary Collis Taylor was 24. If the picture is later than that--1880 for example, it make it even more impossible.

So if it isn't Mary Collis Taylor, who is it?

My first thought was a sister. If the picture is as late as 1877 or 1880 it could be Annie M Taylor, Charles Jr's, sister. Here is a photograph of her after her marriage. But my cousin doesn't think her face is shaped the same as the Mary Collis picture. What do you think?

But a few other questions come in then. This girl is wearing a very well-made dress. If Annie was a servant where would she get the money for such an expensive dress? Marianne apparently worked for her living by then as well (1881 Census). So who had the money for really nice clothes? I speculated that it might have been taken at the same time as Charles Taylor (Jr)'s picture with the Derby hat...but that has a photographer's name listed and the mat doesn't match this one.

However, look at this:



George Henry Taylor - Charles Taylor [Jr] - ? Taylor

Annie Moore-Taylor

Annie was born 11 Dec 1865 in Liverpool, England. She emigrated to the United States with Charles and Alice Jane (Jennie) in 1885. They came aboard the Inman Line's City of Chester.

Annie married Duane Robert Linsley about 1887, presumably in Montana. She would have been 22.

Duane was born in 1857 in Wisconsin, the son of Charles Linsley and Filena. (1860) He grew up in Minnesota (1870, 1880) and later moved further west. He was a Grocer his entire life.

Their first child, Hazel May Linsley was born September 1888 in Dakota Territory. Their second child, George Howard Linsley was born August 1889 in Montana.

By 1900 the Linsleys are in Pocatello, Idaho. Then in Colorado Springs, Colorado in 1910, 1920 & 1930. Duane died 5 December 1932 in Colorado Springs. What a sad Christmas they must have had that year!

Annie moved to Midwest, Wyoming to live with her daughter, Hazel, who had married Fred Temple. They had two daughters, Dorothy and Charolette. George had married Lillie Bertie and they had two daughters, as well, Nellie and Flora.

Annie died 7 March 1936 in Midwest. She was buried beside her husband in Evergreen Cemetery in Colorado Springs.

This picture was taken in Colorado Springs at the Garden of the Gods (did you know the Lone Ranger Westerns were shot here?) when Charles Taylor (Jr.), his wife, Anna Marie Helland and daughter Hilda Virginia (Ginnie) went to visit them. The other children were already married by the time of this visit which was around 1930

Annie's death certificate lists her mother's name as Marian DeBarcy born in France. Her father was Charles Taylor born in England. Each census lists Annie's mother as born in France and speaks French and her father as born in England. Both of which corroborate Charles Taylor (Jr.)'s information.

Who is Father?

Charles Taylor, Jr. says "Father: Charles Taylor" and gives all sorts of information on him and his brothers. Assuming that his information is correct...why then do all of the Christening records state the parents names as Charles & Mary (Ann), surname: Moore?

William in 1860:




Anne in 1865:




Charles in 1868:




All three were christened at St Peter's Church in Liverpool.

Maybe the best answer comes from their birth certificates:

William in 1860:




George Henry in 1862:




Charles in 1868:




None of the boys have a father listed. The obvious conclusion is that Charles & Mary Ann are not married. Where does that leave us? Well, one of two things; they were married and Mary Ann was still hiding out (remember the story about leaving France?) or they were not married and all of their children are technically illegitimate. I say "technically", because a relationship that extended through all the time which would account for the births of all five children could be classified as a common-law marriage. However, that doesn't change any of the data. Divorce happens, as well, and Mary Ann and Charles were clearly separated by 1881, as he claims another wife and child, while she is now working for her living and Annie, at least, is a servant in another household. William, we understand, is already in the United States.

So, now is Mary Ann hiding out? Why would she be hiding out for so long? Wouldn't using her husband's name be a better way to hide out? Were they married but by special license? The most simple explanation is that all the records are correct and what they state is exactly what happened. Mary Ann Moore and Charles Taylor had a long-term relationship that was never qualified by marriage. At some point (mid 1870s) they split up. Charles found another woman to be with him, and Mary Ann Moore took her children and raised them on her own, ostensibly a widow. Even after her death the children did not go back to their father, but went on to America to be with their brother. Perhaps he went to America to earn money to help them all come over later.

Why would the christening records give a father's name, but not the birth certificate? I think it is a technical issue. The christening record asks for parents first names and then the surname is in a separate column in which they could easily record the "child's surname" rather than the "parents' surname." Can you see it happening? The priest (or the sexton) asking "Child's name? Parent's given names? Surname?" Very easy to tell the child's surname rather than the father's. In contrast the full name of each parent is given in the birth certificate in totally separate boxes. Harder to disguise the difference.

With the track record Charles had, I don't think I like him very much. His first wife died young, the second wife left him, the third wife died young. But that may be unfair.

Apparently, the family knew that Charles had this relationship with Mary Ann and knew that the children had gone to America, because the family information passed down to me said that the children were "written out of the will because they wouldn't go back to England." Well, we know now that there was no will. Charles died intestate. All of his estate of 539 pounds went to Mary Collis Taylor. The Admon papers do not mention anything about any other children. But it stands to reason that if the Moore children did not go back to England to fight for their rights, then they wouldn't have any, since there were no legal records to tie them to Charles Taylor, Sr.

Now we just have to find out about the four youngest children!

Taylor? Moore? DeBarcy?

Am I crazy? Every so often I wonder if I've jumped to a conclusion that makes these families tie together. Then I have to go through all of the information to validate my conclusion that they are one and the same. So here goes...

Charles Taylor, Jr. [We'll call him this, for clarity] was born 1868 in Liverpool, England and immigrated to the United States in 1885. Charles, Jr. left documents listing information about his family in England.


Charles Taylor, Sr. was a druggist. He did work at #10 Cleveland Sq. (1861, 1871) That building was originally owned by his father, then passed to his brother, Samuel who died 1875, directing that all his property be sold and the proceeds split between his inheritors. So it isn't surprising that in 1881, Charles Taylor Sr. is a retired druggist. #2 Brook Subery....turns out to be Tuebrook Suburb in Liverpool, but we haven't yet been able to locate a Clifton Villars address.

There is indeed a Mary born to Charles Sr. and a previous wife, a Mary Collis Taylor. (Christening, 1851) The christening record gives Mary Collis Taylor, daughter of Charles Taylor (druggist) & Anne Clarke [surnamed Morgan]. The 1851 census gives the three of them, Charles Taylor, druggist; wife Annie Clerk Taylor, & dau. Mary Collis Taylor. There cannot be a mistake.

After her mother's death Mary Collis lived with Sam Taylor (1861-Mary Collis Taylor, neice) and John Taylor, who was a surgeon (1871-Mary C. Taylor, neice) although he was living on Hope St instead of the Parliament St address that Charles Jr. gives.

A little off on the "Dr." Sam Taylor. He was never listed as a doctor. He was a Paint & Varnish Manufacturer & Land owner (does this refer to the Cleveland Square address that he received as inheritance from his father? Have no record of him living at Figueroa Street, either.

So Mary Collis Taylor clearly ties Charles Sr., John and Samuel together as brothers.

Now as to Charles Sr.'s second family--our family. We could never find them by the surname Taylor. They just didn't show up. It wasn't until my sister found their names on the ship's register that we found the surname of "Moore." When we then looked for them with the surname "Moore" we found everything we expected. Our copy of the 1861 census for #10 Cleveland Sq was a really bad copy. We thought we could read Mary A Moore, but we weren't sure until I recently got a cleaner copy. It was definitely, Charles Taylor, druggist 45y & Mary A Moore, servant 24y, but she was born in Liverpool, not France...hmmm....

1871 William Moore 55y chemist, born Wale, Lancashire; wife, Mary Ann 33y born Liverpool; William 11y scholar born Liverpool; George H. 9y scholar born Liverpool; Annie 6y scholar born Liverpool; Charles 3y born Liverpool

1881 Mary Ann More, 44y widow, Machinist born Liverpool; Charles 14y, scholar born Liverpool; Jane 8y, scholar born Liverpool
1881 Groman family on Great Howard St. Ann Moore 15y, servant, born Liverpool.

Marian (Mary) Taylor, most of the information Charles Jr gave we cannot yet validate. However, the fact that Marian was also known as Mary, validates the information that we have found listing her as Mary Ann Moore.

All of the kids: his numbers don't add up, but of the children we have been able to track down birth records for, he's right on except for one thing--the surname. We have Christening & Birth Registration for William. Christening for Annie. Birth Registration for George. Christening & Birth Registration for Charles. Unfortunately, nothing for Alice Jane (Jennie). All of these records give them the surname of "Moore." All of the places that he records them currently living in were correct prior to 1950 (with the surname of "Taylor" in the USA).

Oddball information is that, William, George & Charles Jr's birth registrations have no father listed. However, William's christening record lists Charles Sr. as a bookkeeper, Annie's christening record lists him, a "victualler" and Charles Jr's christening gives him as a druggist.

A couple of other pieces of information not listed on this document: Marian DeBarcy was 20 years younger than Charles Taylor. This is validated by the 1861, 1871 & 1881 censuses & both Mary Ann Moore's death certificate & Charles Taylor Sr's death certificate.

Mary Ann Moore who died in 31 Dec 1882 is the same Mary Ann Moore we've been tracking. Ages match, she is the "widow of Charles Moore, Druggist" and the informant is A. Moore, daughter, with a different address...this would have to be Annie who was a servant in another household.

Charles Taylor Sr. in 1881 is retired druggist born in Liverpool, with wife, Margaret & daughter Nellie, 1y. 1891 census give Charles Taylor Sr. as retired druggist born in Liverpool widowed with four children; Nellie 11y born Liverpool; Fredrick 8y born Walton on the Hill; Margaret 6y born Walton on the Hill; Esther 2y born Walton on the Hill

Charles Taylor Sr. dies 24 Oct 1895, retired chemist, Informant is N. Taylor, daughter with the same address as Charles. His Letters of Administration state the same death date and address and state that Mary Collis Dickins (there's that Collis middle name again!) wife of Edward Francis Dickins "the natural and lawful daughter, and only next of kin" recieved the entire estate. Okay, so the "only next of kin" is a little off, but it is clearly the same Charles Sr. If Mary Collis Taylor is his daughter from the first marriage. His death certificate informant is Nellie Taylor, daughter from the third marriage. We already know that Mary Collis Taylor is the half sister, Mary that Charles Jr. was mentioning.

Therefore, Charles Taylor Sr. druggist/chemist born 1815 married 1st Anne Clarke, their child: Mary Collis Taylor born 1846 who married 1880 Edward Francis Dickins. Charles Sr. married 2nd Mary Ann Moore (Marian DeBarcy), their children: William born 1860, George born 1862, Annie born 1865, Charles Jr. born 1868, & Alice Jane (Jennie) born 1875. Charles Sr. married 3rd Margaret (possibly Rooney), their children: Nellie born 1880, Fredrick born 1881, Margaret born 1885, & Esther born 1889.

One man, three marriages (relationships?), 10 kids. Taylor & Moore surnames.

I guess I'm not crazy...he was!

Why do we have a picture of Mary Collis Taylor Dickins?

When do you think this picture was taken of Mary Collis? My first guess was that it was taken when Mary Ann Moore [Marian DeBarcy] married Charles, Sr. That must have been around 1859. (William was born in 1860.) Mary would have been 13. Did girls put their hair up that early? I wish I could see her pendant better. It looks totally flat. I wonder if it got turned around and what we are looking at is the back of the pendant?

Why would Mary Ann keep this picture of Mary Collis even after she split up with Charles Sr.? The fact that she kept it must mean that it was hers to begin with, which is one reason why I think she commissioned the sitting. Was her early picture (see sidebar) taken at the same time? A girl's day out? Trying to make friends with a [future?] step-child?

Mary Collis Taylor bounced around living with different uncles at different times. In 1851, she lived with her father, Charles & mother, Ann Clarke in Tranmere, Cheshire. In 1861, she lived with Uncle Samuel Taylor at 162 Olive Park in Wavertree. In 1871 she lived with Uncle John Taylor at 51 Hope Street in Everton. In 1881, she was married to Edward Francis Dickins. They are together in 1891 & 1901. Of course we have to take this with a little salt, since the censuses are only a single day's snapsnot in a 10-year period. But, Charles Jr.'s notes say that she lived with Uncle Samuel, so that sounds as if she never did live regularly with Mary Ann & Charles Sr. I wonder why, especially if Mary Ann tried to make friends with Mary Collis as this picture might suggest.

Who has the original photograph? This copy was given me by my cousin. It doesn't have the photographer's stamp on it, so I have no idea whether it was taken in Liverpool, or on a trip they all might have taken together. I might even be able to date it somewhat by the photographer's listing in the directories. If only we knew.

Mary's middle name came from her grandmother, Sophia Collis, who married John Taylor, Esq. A cousin contacted us who had a old transcription of an even older family bible record. His record corroborated what we had researched through wills and censuses and gave us a few more details.

But we still can't locate a marriage record for Charles Taylor and Ann Clarke.

What is it with middle names in this family? In Mary Collis's christening record her mother's name of Anne Clarke appears. In the 1851 census, she has the name Annie Clerk Taylor. In both of these Mary has the middle name"Collis." Why is this so important? In every record we have found Mary shows up as "Mary C." or "Mary Collis" and yet Charles Jr. did not record her middle initial in the family story he provided us.

So it all comes back to the same question; Why do we have a picture of Mary Collis Taylor?

Moore?

So their surname on the ship's list was "Moore." Why Moore? Where did Moore come from? And if their name was Moore, why did they say their father's name was Taylor and use the Taylor surname in the United States? Did someone make a mistake?

Okay, so searching for all of these people with the surname of Moore turned up christening records for William, Annie & Charles, all in St Peter's Church, Liverpool. All with a father of Charles Moore and mother Mary Ann. 1861, 1871, 1881 censuses stating Mary Ann Moore. In 1861, she is a servant to Charles Taylor, living at Cleveland Square. But no baby William (he was born in 1860). In 1871, the family was William Moore, druggist, Mary Ann, William, George, Annie, & Charles. But Charles Taylor was listed living at the Cleveland Square address with a servant, Margaret Rooney. Is William Moore, druggist the same as Charles Taylor, druggist? In 1881, the household consisted of Mary Ann Moore, widow, machinist (I think this refers to sewing machine), George, Charles & Jennie. Charles Taylor is listed as retired druggist, with a wife, Margaret & daughter Nellie, 1 year old!!!!!!

So clearly, by 1881 Charles and Mary Ann have split up. Apparently she claimed to be a widow to explain all the children she had. Were they divorced? Were they ever married?

In 1871, even though Charles has a new servant, he appears to be supporting Mary Ann and the children, since none of them have occupations then but they do by 1881.

Mary Ann's death certificate states she died 31 Dec 1882, Annie was the informant. Moore was both their surnames. In 1881, there is an Annie Moore who matches our Annie's age, a servant in a wealthy household.


















In May 1885, Annie, Charles & Jennie are aboard the ship The City of Chester, emigrating to the United States and their brother, William, who reportedly left in 1876....hmmm, the same year Jennie was born....was he protesting something? Was Jennie really Charles' daughter? Was William known in the United States by the surname Moore or the surname Taylor? Did it take more than two years to make contact and arrangements for the younger children to go to William? Who paid for the crossing? Where were the younger kids, from the time their mother died until they left England?

More and more questions. More and more mysteries.