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Children of Charles Taylor [Sr] and Marianne Moore de Barcy:
A1 - William Howard Taylor b. 30 Jun 1860 in Liverpool, England md. Sarah (Sadie) Minerva Slentz 21 Nov 1885 in Glendive, Dawson, Montana
Their children:
B1 - Frank Mervin Taylor b. 16 Feb 1887 md. Zella Mae Corberly
C1 - Walter William Taylor
C2 - Robert Frank Taylor
C3 - Dorothy Marie Taylor
C4 - Charles Howard Taylor
C5 - Richard Lee Taylor
C6 - Donald Duane Taylor
C7 - John Philip Taylor
C8 - David Warren Taylor
B2 - Florence Ellen Taylor b. 27 Mar 1889 d. 1891
B3 - Ethel Jane Taylor b. 12 Dec 1890 md. William Harry Ranes
C1 - Hazel Lillian Ranes md. Marvin Wright
C2 - Oren Leroy Ranes
B4 - Myrtle Viola Taylor b. 28 Feb 1893 md. 1st William Imler 2nd Joseph Steven McDonald
C1 - Alice Mae Imler
C2 - Dorothy Rae Imler
B5 - Annie Grace Taylor b. 15 May 1895 d. 19 Jul 1895
B6 - Mary Irene Taylor b. 14 Feb 1898 md. Vernon Ellsworth
B7 - Charles Clayton Taylor b. 27 Nov 1900 md. Clara Lee Pennewell
C1 - Virginia Lee Taylor md. 1st Vance Olsen 2nd Leon Trainor, Jr.
C2 - Norma Jean Taylor
B8 - William Delton Taylor b. 18 may 1903 md. Helen Lucille Rogers
C1 - Wesley Delton Taylor
B9 - Harold Rex Taylor b. 25 Feb 1910 md. 1st Leota Grace Heckman 2nd Marge Dell Stevenson
C1 - Gordon William Taylor
A2 - George Henry Taylor b. 27 Aug 1862 in Liverpool, England. Went to sea after the 1871 census. No one knows what became of him. We do not know if we retained the Moore surname or the Taylor surname.
A3 - Anna M Taylor b. 11 Dec 1865 in Liverpool, England md. Duane Robert Linsley 17 Jul 1886 in Dawson Co., Montana
Their children:
B1 - Hazel May Linsley b. Sep 1888 md. Frederick Temple
C1 - Dorothy Temple
C2 - Charolette Temple
B2 - George Howard Linsley b. Aug 1889 md. Lillie Bertie
C1 - Nellie Linsley
C2 - Flora Linsley md. Denny Coonts
A4 - Charles Taylor [Jr] b. 2 Aug 1868 in Liverpool, England md. 1st Anna Marie Helland, 2nd Eva Electa Brown, 3rd Madge Blanton Smith
Their children (all 1st marriage):
B1 - Ethel Gunnell Taylor b. 9 May 1895 md. Arnold Thomas Read
C1 - Willard Charles Read md. 1st Theo Dean Straicher
C2 - Arnold Bowman Read md. Jean Eleanor Burns
C3 - William Andrew Read md. 1st Maxine Womach 2nd Kay Fox, 3rd Tina Marinez
C4 - Ethelene Read md. 1st Richard Roach, 2nd ? Petree
C5 - AnnaMae Read md. Victor A. Lo Forte, Jr
C6 - Larry Thomas Read md. Anice Jo Archer
B2 - Hazelle Marie Taylor b. 9 May 1895 md. 1st. Arthur Robert Harnish 2nd Jack A Dollar, 3rd Everett Larence Johnson
B3 - Helen Josephine Taylor b. 20 Nov 1896 md. 1st Heber Harris Thomas, Jr., 2nd Leslie Hollister, 3rd James Wendell Phillips Glascow, 4th Frank George Geiger
C1 - Raymond H Thomas
B4 - Maude Leonore Taylor b. 22 Nov 1897 md. William Lorenzo Taylor, Jr
B5 - Charles Duane Taylor b. 13 Mar 1902 md. Nettie Elora Taylor
C1 - Dorothy Taylor
C2 - Charles Duane Taylor, Jr
C3 - Ronald Dean Taylor
B6 - Hilda Virginia Taylor b. 8 Feb 1914 md. George Edwin Anderson
C1 - George Edwin (Ted) Anderson Jr md. Judy Butler
C2 - Ken Anderson
C3 - Sandy Anderson
A5 - Alice Jane (Jennie) Taylor b. 25 May 1875 in Liverpool, England md. John Simmons 20 Oct 1890 in Ogden, Weber, Utah, md. 2nd LeRoy H Mercer 8 Apr 1896 in Helena, Lewis and Clark, Montana, md. 3rd John J Dodge 3 Oct 1901 in Bozeman, Gallatin, Montana
Her child (by John Simmons)
B1 - Minerva (Minnie) Mae Mercer b. 10 Aug 1893 md. James Frank Preston
Showing posts with label DeBarcy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label DeBarcy. Show all posts
Wednesday, July 20, 2011
Wednesday, July 8, 2009
Searching on DeBarcy
Marian DeBarcy is how her name was given to us. Don't know if it is misspelled or not. We aren't totally sure of how it should be pronounced, but we have found much of the information Charles Taylor, Jr gave us was spelled phonetically, as if he had only heard the words, never seen them written. That said, I just did another Google search on "DeBarcy" to see what I'd come up with.
First thing is a reference to an Edith DeBarcy in a movie from 1982, Toute une Nuit. Then comes some references that belong to me...one was a question I asked at a Huguenot e-mail list. Another couple were references to this blog. There is a DeBarcy Court in Monmouth, NJ that was hit by a tornado. A reference to an author on Amazon.com. Some sort of interview with a Phillippe DeBarcy of General Motors on RTBF Media. The Renaissance Faire in LA mentions a "Sir William DeBarcy" in quotes, so does that mean he is an actor pretending to be someone from the 16th Century or someone who never existed at all? There are a couple of references to people's profiles that are computer generated and not really people at all (Esther Born, Annie Born).
Here's something...a Monique DeBarcy married to Jacques Bodson...Jacques died in 2003. I wonder if the auther of this information would put me in contact with Monique? I have e-mailed him...I wonder what response I will get.
I've bumped into this one on KindredKonnections before...but I don't know WHO put the information there. Anyone willing to claim it?
There is apparently a "Proost DeBarcy" art award.
There is an Evrard Website on MyHeritage.com that has a Vanquestaine DeBarcy in their family. But it is locked...don't you just hate that?
There is a Bernard DeBarcy, Veterinarian in Brussells, Belgium. (See page 11)
This has possibilities... a village called Barcy in Siene-et-Marne, Ile-de-France. The Region is Siene et Marne...named for the two rivers, Siene & Marne. It is just outside of Paris...I'll have to look into this more. What really makes me interested is the fact that Charles Taylor wrote it all down from hearing, not seeing it written before...what possibilities does that leave open?
Here is a map:
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What if she is really Marian Moore from Barcy, Siene-et-Marne, Ile-de-France? Then we should be able to find a brother, George Moore and a sister, Sylvia Moore also there, and they leave before 1860. Hmmm... I'm looking for the history of Barcy, France. More later!
First thing is a reference to an Edith DeBarcy in a movie from 1982, Toute une Nuit. Then comes some references that belong to me...one was a question I asked at a Huguenot e-mail list. Another couple were references to this blog. There is a DeBarcy Court in Monmouth, NJ that was hit by a tornado. A reference to an author on Amazon.com. Some sort of interview with a Phillippe DeBarcy of General Motors on RTBF Media. The Renaissance Faire in LA mentions a "Sir William DeBarcy" in quotes, so does that mean he is an actor pretending to be someone from the 16th Century or someone who never existed at all? There are a couple of references to people's profiles that are computer generated and not really people at all (Esther Born, Annie Born).
Here's something...a Monique DeBarcy married to Jacques Bodson...Jacques died in 2003. I wonder if the auther of this information would put me in contact with Monique? I have e-mailed him...I wonder what response I will get.
I've bumped into this one on KindredKonnections before...but I don't know WHO put the information there. Anyone willing to claim it?
There is apparently a "Proost DeBarcy" art award.
There is an Evrard Website on MyHeritage.com that has a Vanquestaine DeBarcy in their family. But it is locked...don't you just hate that?
There is a Bernard DeBarcy, Veterinarian in Brussells, Belgium. (See page 11)
This has possibilities... a village called Barcy in Siene-et-Marne, Ile-de-France. The Region is Siene et Marne...named for the two rivers, Siene & Marne. It is just outside of Paris...I'll have to look into this more. What really makes me interested is the fact that Charles Taylor wrote it all down from hearing, not seeing it written before...what possibilities does that leave open?
Here is a map:
View Larger Map
What if she is really Marian Moore from Barcy, Siene-et-Marne, Ile-de-France? Then we should be able to find a brother, George Moore and a sister, Sylvia Moore also there, and they leave before 1860. Hmmm... I'm looking for the history of Barcy, France. More later!
Wednesday, February 25, 2009
Taylor? Moore? DeBarcy?
Am I crazy? Every so often I wonder if I've jumped to a conclusion that makes these families tie together. Then I have to go through all of the information to validate my conclusion that they are one and the same. So here goes...
Charles Taylor, Jr. [We'll call him this, for clarity] was born 1868 in Liverpool, England and immigrated to the United States in 1885. Charles, Jr. left documents listing information about his family in England.
Charles Taylor, Sr. was a druggist. He did work at #10 Cleveland Sq. (1861, 1871) That building was originally owned by his father, then passed to his brother, Samuel who died 1875, directing that all his property be sold and the proceeds split between his inheritors. So it isn't surprising that in 1881, Charles Taylor Sr. is a retired druggist. #2 Brook Subery....turns out to be Tuebrook Suburb in Liverpool, but we haven't yet been able to locate a Clifton Villars address.
There is indeed a Mary born to Charles Sr. and a previous wife, a Mary Collis Taylor. (Christening, 1851) The christening record gives Mary Collis Taylor, daughter of Charles Taylor (druggist) & Anne Clarke [surnamed Morgan]. The 1851 census gives the three of them, Charles Taylor, druggist; wife Annie Clerk Taylor, & dau. Mary Collis Taylor. There cannot be a mistake.
After her mother's death Mary Collis lived with Sam Taylor (1861-Mary Collis Taylor, neice) and John Taylor, who was a surgeon (1871-Mary C. Taylor, neice) although he was living on Hope St instead of the Parliament St address that Charles Jr. gives.
A little off on the "Dr." Sam Taylor. He was never listed as a doctor. He was a Paint & Varnish Manufacturer & Land owner (does this refer to the Cleveland Square address that he received as inheritance from his father? Have no record of him living at Figueroa Street, either.
So Mary Collis Taylor clearly ties Charles Sr., John and Samuel together as brothers.
Now as to Charles Sr.'s second family--our family. We could never find them by the surname Taylor. They just didn't show up. It wasn't until my sister found their names on the ship's register that we found the surname of "Moore." When we then looked for them with the surname "Moore" we found everything we expected. Our copy of the 1861 census for #10 Cleveland Sq was a really bad copy. We thought we could read Mary A Moore, but we weren't sure until I recently got a cleaner copy. It was definitely, Charles Taylor, druggist 45y & Mary A Moore, servant 24y, but she was born in Liverpool, not France...hmmm....
1871 William Moore 55y chemist, born Wale, Lancashire; wife, Mary Ann 33y born Liverpool; William 11y scholar born Liverpool; George H. 9y scholar born Liverpool; Annie 6y scholar born Liverpool; Charles 3y born Liverpool
1881 Mary Ann More, 44y widow, Machinist born Liverpool; Charles 14y, scholar born Liverpool; Jane 8y, scholar born Liverpool
1881 Groman family on Great Howard St. Ann Moore 15y, servant, born Liverpool.
Marian (Mary) Taylor, most of the information Charles Jr gave we cannot yet validate. However, the fact that Marian was also known as Mary, validates the information that we have found listing her as Mary Ann Moore.
All of the kids: his numbers don't add up, but of the children we have been able to track down birth records for, he's right on except for one thing--the surname. We have Christening & Birth Registration for William. Christening for Annie. Birth Registration for George. Christening & Birth Registration for Charles. Unfortunately, nothing for Alice Jane (Jennie). All of these records give them the surname of "Moore." All of the places that he records them currently living in were correct prior to 1950 (with the surname of "Taylor" in the USA).
Oddball information is that, William, George & Charles Jr's birth registrations have no father listed. However, William's christening record lists Charles Sr. as a bookkeeper, Annie's christening record lists him, a "victualler" and Charles Jr's christening gives him as a druggist.
A couple of other pieces of information not listed on this document: Marian DeBarcy was 20 years younger than Charles Taylor. This is validated by the 1861, 1871 & 1881 censuses & both Mary Ann Moore's death certificate & Charles Taylor Sr's death certificate.
Mary Ann Moore who died in 31 Dec 1882 is the same Mary Ann Moore we've been tracking. Ages match, she is the "widow of Charles Moore, Druggist" and the informant is A. Moore, daughter, with a different address...this would have to be Annie who was a servant in another household.
Charles Taylor Sr. in 1881 is retired druggist born in Liverpool, with wife, Margaret & daughter Nellie, 1y. 1891 census give Charles Taylor Sr. as retired druggist born in Liverpool widowed with four children; Nellie 11y born Liverpool; Fredrick 8y born Walton on the Hill; Margaret 6y born Walton on the Hill; Esther 2y born Walton on the Hill
Charles Taylor Sr. dies 24 Oct 1895, retired chemist, Informant is N. Taylor, daughter with the same address as Charles. His Letters of Administration state the same death date and address and state that Mary Collis Dickins (there's that Collis middle name again!) wife of Edward Francis Dickins "the natural and lawful daughter, and only next of kin" recieved the entire estate. Okay, so the "only next of kin" is a little off, but it is clearly the same Charles Sr. If Mary Collis Taylor is his daughter from the first marriage. His death certificate informant is Nellie Taylor, daughter from the third marriage. We already know that Mary Collis Taylor is the half sister, Mary that Charles Jr. was mentioning.
Therefore, Charles Taylor Sr. druggist/chemist born 1815 married 1st Anne Clarke, their child: Mary Collis Taylor born 1846 who married 1880 Edward Francis Dickins. Charles Sr. married 2nd Mary Ann Moore (Marian DeBarcy), their children: William born 1860, George born 1862, Annie born 1865, Charles Jr. born 1868, & Alice Jane (Jennie) born 1875. Charles Sr. married 3rd Margaret (possibly Rooney), their children: Nellie born 1880, Fredrick born 1881, Margaret born 1885, & Esther born 1889.
One man, three marriages (relationships?), 10 kids. Taylor & Moore surnames.
I guess I'm not crazy...he was!
Charles Taylor, Jr. [We'll call him this, for clarity] was born 1868 in Liverpool, England and immigrated to the United States in 1885. Charles, Jr. left documents listing information about his family in England.
Charles Taylor, Sr. was a druggist. He did work at #10 Cleveland Sq. (1861, 1871) That building was originally owned by his father, then passed to his brother, Samuel who died 1875, directing that all his property be sold and the proceeds split between his inheritors. So it isn't surprising that in 1881, Charles Taylor Sr. is a retired druggist. #2 Brook Subery....turns out to be Tuebrook Suburb in Liverpool, but we haven't yet been able to locate a Clifton Villars address.
There is indeed a Mary born to Charles Sr. and a previous wife, a Mary Collis Taylor. (Christening, 1851) The christening record gives Mary Collis Taylor, daughter of Charles Taylor (druggist) & Anne Clarke [surnamed Morgan]. The 1851 census gives the three of them, Charles Taylor, druggist; wife Annie Clerk Taylor, & dau. Mary Collis Taylor. There cannot be a mistake.
After her mother's death Mary Collis lived with Sam Taylor (1861-Mary Collis Taylor, neice) and John Taylor, who was a surgeon (1871-Mary C. Taylor, neice) although he was living on Hope St instead of the Parliament St address that Charles Jr. gives.
A little off on the "Dr." Sam Taylor. He was never listed as a doctor. He was a Paint & Varnish Manufacturer & Land owner (does this refer to the Cleveland Square address that he received as inheritance from his father? Have no record of him living at Figueroa Street, either.
So Mary Collis Taylor clearly ties Charles Sr., John and Samuel together as brothers.
Now as to Charles Sr.'s second family--our family. We could never find them by the surname Taylor. They just didn't show up. It wasn't until my sister found their names on the ship's register that we found the surname of "Moore." When we then looked for them with the surname "Moore" we found everything we expected. Our copy of the 1861 census for #10 Cleveland Sq was a really bad copy. We thought we could read Mary A Moore, but we weren't sure until I recently got a cleaner copy. It was definitely, Charles Taylor, druggist 45y & Mary A Moore, servant 24y, but she was born in Liverpool, not France...hmmm....
1871 William Moore 55y chemist, born Wale, Lancashire; wife, Mary Ann 33y born Liverpool; William 11y scholar born Liverpool; George H. 9y scholar born Liverpool; Annie 6y scholar born Liverpool; Charles 3y born Liverpool
1881 Mary Ann More, 44y widow, Machinist born Liverpool; Charles 14y, scholar born Liverpool; Jane 8y, scholar born Liverpool
1881 Groman family on Great Howard St. Ann Moore 15y, servant, born Liverpool.
Marian (Mary) Taylor, most of the information Charles Jr gave we cannot yet validate. However, the fact that Marian was also known as Mary, validates the information that we have found listing her as Mary Ann Moore.
All of the kids: his numbers don't add up, but of the children we have been able to track down birth records for, he's right on except for one thing--the surname. We have Christening & Birth Registration for William. Christening for Annie. Birth Registration for George. Christening & Birth Registration for Charles. Unfortunately, nothing for Alice Jane (Jennie). All of these records give them the surname of "Moore." All of the places that he records them currently living in were correct prior to 1950 (with the surname of "Taylor" in the USA).
Oddball information is that, William, George & Charles Jr's birth registrations have no father listed. However, William's christening record lists Charles Sr. as a bookkeeper, Annie's christening record lists him, a "victualler" and Charles Jr's christening gives him as a druggist.
A couple of other pieces of information not listed on this document: Marian DeBarcy was 20 years younger than Charles Taylor. This is validated by the 1861, 1871 & 1881 censuses & both Mary Ann Moore's death certificate & Charles Taylor Sr's death certificate.
Mary Ann Moore who died in 31 Dec 1882 is the same Mary Ann Moore we've been tracking. Ages match, she is the "widow of Charles Moore, Druggist" and the informant is A. Moore, daughter, with a different address...this would have to be Annie who was a servant in another household.
Charles Taylor Sr. in 1881 is retired druggist born in Liverpool, with wife, Margaret & daughter Nellie, 1y. 1891 census give Charles Taylor Sr. as retired druggist born in Liverpool widowed with four children; Nellie 11y born Liverpool; Fredrick 8y born Walton on the Hill; Margaret 6y born Walton on the Hill; Esther 2y born Walton on the Hill
Charles Taylor Sr. dies 24 Oct 1895, retired chemist, Informant is N. Taylor, daughter with the same address as Charles. His Letters of Administration state the same death date and address and state that Mary Collis Dickins (there's that Collis middle name again!) wife of Edward Francis Dickins "the natural and lawful daughter, and only next of kin" recieved the entire estate. Okay, so the "only next of kin" is a little off, but it is clearly the same Charles Sr. If Mary Collis Taylor is his daughter from the first marriage. His death certificate informant is Nellie Taylor, daughter from the third marriage. We already know that Mary Collis Taylor is the half sister, Mary that Charles Jr. was mentioning.
Therefore, Charles Taylor Sr. druggist/chemist born 1815 married 1st Anne Clarke, their child: Mary Collis Taylor born 1846 who married 1880 Edward Francis Dickins. Charles Sr. married 2nd Mary Ann Moore (Marian DeBarcy), their children: William born 1860, George born 1862, Annie born 1865, Charles Jr. born 1868, & Alice Jane (Jennie) born 1875. Charles Sr. married 3rd Margaret (possibly Rooney), their children: Nellie born 1880, Fredrick born 1881, Margaret born 1885, & Esther born 1889.
One man, three marriages (relationships?), 10 kids. Taylor & Moore surnames.
I guess I'm not crazy...he was!
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